This assumption is dangerously weak. Profit is absolutely a major carrot for miners in all areas of space.

These already exist; they are called wormholes.

Laughing at the blue donut thing when we completely destroyed the N3 coalition, caused NpCdock to abandon sov altogether, and announced our intentions to not only withdraw from their holdings, but also to cede 2 of our own regions in the process. Could you be any further behind in politics?

The point of nullsec being more lucrative is that it is commensurate with increased risk. If you want to stay in your highsec playpen, you must necessarily accept lower reward in the bargain. It's just how the game works.


Daytripping does not require the kind of commitment you are describing.

How do you get "outside" a blue donut? A donut implies that all of nullsec is blue to each other. Saying that areas are "outside" of it fundamentally implies that not all of nullsec is blue to each other.

Which is it?

So, Drifters are the filling of a blue jelly donut?

(i'm hungry)

This wouldn't create a logistical nightmare for T1 meta production. It would actually solve the stupid supply and demand balance we have now.
In my proposal, not rats would drop "parts" equal to the amount required to build the meta module they would have dropped. These parts would be used in combination of a T1 module plus BPC gained from a data site to build the meta module desired.
As the meta modules would share "common" parts what you build would be almost entirely your choice provided you have the BPC.
Different sized Meta modules would all be built from the same parts pool and just require more (similar to current T1 production with minerals).

This would allow the value of meta modules to be controlled easily as it would simply be T1 module + parts + BPC = meta module

The supply of parts would be the same as the current supply of meta modules (harvested from looting wrecks).

Would this not give us a real way to produce meta modules, buff data sites to be damn right useful, and buff industry as a whole?
The BPC's of meta modules would be high run copies to prevent bottle necks.

Reading between the lines:

We don't care about dedicated miners and industrialists
We view it as a necessary evil
We just do what we need to in support of the alliance and couldn't care less otherwise

maybe you need to look at more than just 'this number is bigger than that one. Its not surprising that highsecs massive population (3-4x greater than null iirc) would have more lost from mining barges by volume. It's expected since there are so many more miners in null. What we were comparing is the relative safety, which is far more skewed toward nullsec being the least safe.


If you really havent bothered to read the dozens of responses as to why the change is needed, I doubt repeating them to you again is going to make you actually read them.

As to hurting more players, just because one group of players is benefitting off the lack of gameplay from another group doesn't justify keeping the status quo.

Or, of course, we could drivel down the path of only doing what the majority of players want and just toss out any kind of gameplay implications.

Hell, since all those miners in highsec seem to be what we balance the entire game around, why don't we remove barge ganking? Or, better yet, increase the refine rate of highsec stations to surpass nullsec, since its only fair to the greater population.

This already happens -- the sites are called "wormholes."

It's what I do.

The dirty secret here is that none of these people are actually "high sec people" GÇö they're anti-nullsec people.

You mean like all of the Fleet, Navy, Federation issue ships, modules and ammo?



Don't think that you're applying the term "insider trading" corrently here. However, if you do actually put the whole weight into the meaning, I refer you to this post, where everyone with the eyes to see saw it coming - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5675444#post5675444

I myself am a pirate on the high seas of Hisecks Market PvP.

Don't go there.

I was getting multi-million in units buy orders filled non-stop at 630 p/u just a day before April 1st. After I bought out the whole Empire on March 20th.

It is possible, yes, that after the Fanfest on the 19th of March some shrewd entities started stacking said ores, but given the abysmal mineral prices at that time, I'd imagine there wasn't much mining going on prior to this.

And why would you stack Crokite? If you didn't refine it then, you surely are going to refine it before the patch, otherwise you're stuck with your Nocxiums.

Interesting question, though - would ores, which had been mined pre-patch retain their mineral compositions, or is the new changes going to overwrite these?

As an example: AFAIR the ships which had been produced prior to the Tiericide still retained the old mineral bill of materials, so you couldn't refine them into moar mineralulz.

Then your theory doesn't work, does it?

Here I am, a Hisecks pirat, plundering the booty and reselling it to the originators.

Good luck in market PVP tomorrow and the weeks to come everyone!

(Dons flame-retardant gear.)

These changes seem like a step in the right direction. However, they do not change the need for miners to mine unwanted ores in anomalies to cycle them. Similarly, one of the main things about Eve's mining system has always bugged me is the lack of competition for resources because they respawn so frequently, predictably, and abundantly. If these changes do not bring back the tiered pricing of ores, I think that CCP should strongly consider changing their availability and ease of access. Really, how often do miners have to change solar systems and what percent of Eve's available roids are actually mined each day?

Mercoxit is a good example. I agree with Querns and others about removing Mercoxit almost entirely from anomalies, because of anomaly cycling. Make Mercoxit special, like NPC special... This would allow it to mostly spawn in comets... (I know... but please hear me out. I'll keep the tangent short.)

I started with the assumption that comet mining hasn't happened yet because of technical issues, like asteroids aren't coded to be mobile. NPCs are mobile, though, and can go in one direction at 1km/sec (+-). Only one thing would be needed to create a very natural-feeling mini-game, a Mercoxit-damage halo and tail. The damaging halo/tail, in combination with the existing navigation and combat mechanics, would manifest as a naturally occurring mini-game.

Benefits of comet as NPC:

• DScan and combat probes needed to find them (could add comet prospecting to Exploration profession)
• Warping to signature would put the ship 20km+ away and in the Mercoxit-damage tail (not a safe place)
• Large/long engine contrail (kilometers long) could be used as the comet's tail if needed
• Using "Keep at distance" or "Orbit" would quickly land the ship in the damaging tail (manual piloting would be required)
• NPC combat mechanics could be used to occasionally create massive Mercoxit-cloud eruptions at players (long lock, fire, untarget) with smartbomb effect or single-target attack with low-tracking/high-signature turret
• Jet-can mining would leave a string of cans to pick up

The main issues I can think of:

• Ore tables (back-end) would have to be connected to an NPC somehow
• Area of effect damage in tail
• Art of gaseous eruptions and tail (optional)
• Barges/Exhumers would need PG bonuses to equip MWD

(Sorry for the Tangent)